Discussion: Fallacies

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Discussion: Fallacies

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Consider the passages below. If the passage contains an argument, identify the premises and main conclusion. For each passage, assess whether it contains a fallacy. If it does, identify the fallacy and explain why you made your assessment.

  1. God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
  2. Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), the British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God. Russell was an atheist, and we all know that he slept around and seduced young girls and was nasty to many people. 
  3. Do you want four more years of this person in political office? Vote for me, Candidate X.

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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Olha Semeniuk -
"God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives."

Premise: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

Fallacy: This argument commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent. It assumes that because certain people who believe in God have positive outcomes, it logically follows that God must exist. However, this ignores alternative explanations for why people might have fulfilling lives, such as community support, personal values, or psychological factors.

"Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), the British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God. Russell was an atheist, and we all know that he slept around and seduced young girls and was nasty to many people."

Premise: Bertrand Russell, an atheist, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Premise: Bertrand Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality is not possible without God.

Fallacy: This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy by attacking the character of Bertrand Russell rather than addressing the substance of his argument. Even if Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior, it doesn't necessarily invalidate his position on objective morality. The argument should focus on the merits of his argument rather than attacking his personal conduct.

"Do you want four more years of this person in political office? Vote for me, Candidate X."

Premise: The current person in political office has negative qualities or undesirable outcomes associated with their tenure.
Conclusion: Therefore, vote for Candidate X.

Fallacy: This argument employs the fallacy of appeal to emotion or fear. By framing the question as a choice between the current officeholder and Candidate X without providing substantive reasons or qualifications for Candidate X, it attempts to sway voters through emotional manipulation rather than reasoned argumentation.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Catherine Quinn -
1. In the initial passage, the argument posits the existence of God based on the observation that individuals who adhere to the belief in God often lead lives marked by health, happiness, and meaningfulness. The central premise suggests a correlation between religious belief and positive life outcomes, leading to the conclusion that God exists. However, upon closer scrutiny, the argument exhibits a logical fallacy: "correlation does not imply causation." This fallacy arises from the assumption that a correlation between two variables implies a causal relationship. The argument overlooks alternative explanations for the observed phenomena and fails to establish a direct causal link between belief in God and positive life outcomes.

2. In the second passage, the discussion centers on Bertrand Russell's assertion regarding the possibility of objective morality independent of religious belief. The argument seeks to discredit Russell's position by highlighting his personal transgressions, including allegations of moral impropriety. By insinuating that Russell's moral character undermines the validity of his philosophical arguments, the argument employs a fallacious reasoning strategy. Specifically, the fallacy at play here is "ad hominem," which entails attacking the character of an individual rather than engaging with the substance of their arguments. This fallacy distracts from the core issues under consideration and impedes rational discourse by focusing on personal attacks rather than reasoned debate.

3. Lastly, the third passage adopts a political context, leveraging a persuasive appeal based on the negative portrayal of a rival candidate. By asking, "Do you want four more years of this person in political office?" and subsequently urging support for an alternative candidate, the argument seeks to sway voter sentiment through emotional manipulation rather than substantive policy discussion. This rhetorical approach is reminiscent of the "red herring" fallacy, wherein irrelevant or tangential issues are introduced to divert attention from the main topic at hand. In this case, the focus on the shortcomings of the incumbent candidate serves to sidestep substantive discussions about the qualifications and policy proposals of the endorsing candidate, thereby detracting from the integrity of the electoral process.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by asifa shaikh -
God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives."

Premise: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

Fallacy: This argument commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent. It assumes that because certain people who believe in God have positive outcomes, it logically follows that God must exist. However, this ignores alternative explanations for why people might have fulfilling lives, such as community support, personal values, or psychological factors.

Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), the British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God. Russell was an atheist, and we all know that he slept around and seduced young girls and was nasty to many people."

Premise: Bertrand Russell, an atheist, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Premise: Bertrand Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality is not possible without God.

Fallacy: This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy by attacking the character of Bertrand Russell rather than addressing the substance of his argument. Even if Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior, it doesn't necessarily invalidate his position on objective morality. The argument should focus on the merits of his argument rather than attacking his personal conduct.

Do you want four more years of this person in political office? Vote for me, Candidate X."

Premise: The current person in political office has negative qualities or undesirable outcomes associated with their tenure.
Conclusion: Therefore, vote for Candidate X.

Fallacy: This argument employs the fallacy of appeal to emotion or fear. By framing the question as a choice between the current officeholder and Candidate X without providing substantive reasons or qualifications for Candidate X, it attempts to sway voters through emotional manipulation rather than reasoned argumentation.

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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Rehan Ullah -
1. Passage 1:
Argument:
Premise: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

Assessment:
This passage contains a fallacy known as "post hoc ergo propter hoc" or "correlation does not imply causation." It assumes that because people who believe in God have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives, it must be because God exists. However, there could be various other factors contributing to their well-being, such as social support, community involvement, or personal resilience. Therefore, the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise, making it a fallacious argument.

2. Passage 2:
Argument:
Premise: Bertrand Russell, a British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Premise: Russell was an atheist and engaged in immoral behavior.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality cannot exist without God.

Assessment:
This passage contains a fallacy known as "ad hominem," where the argument attacks the person making the claim rather than addressing the claim itself. By focusing on Russell's personal behavior rather than engaging with his argument for objective morality without God, the passage attempts to discredit his viewpoint unjustly. Regardless of Russell's personal conduct, his argument should be evaluated based on its merits rather than his character.

3. Passage 3:
Argument:
Premise: Candidate X has been in political office for the past four years.
Conclusion: Therefore, voters should not vote for Candidate X.

Assessment:
This passage contains a fallacy known as "appeal to emotion." It attempts to persuade voters by appealing to their emotions rather than presenting logical reasons for or against voting for Candidate X. By framing the decision in terms of emotional dislike for the candidate rather than discussing their policies, qualifications, or achievements, the argument relies on manipulation rather than reasoned debate.

In the discussion forum, I would share these analyses of the passages and encourage classmates to discuss the fallacies identified and their implications for logical reasoning and critical thinking. I would also invite them to provide their perspectives on how such fallacies can be avoided in constructing and evaluating arguments. Engaging in discussions like these can enhance our understanding of logical fallacies and improve our ability to think critically about the arguments we encounter.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Sanika Bari -
God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives."

Premise: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

Fallacy: This argument commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent. It assumes that because certain people who believe in God have positive outcomes, it logically follows that God must exist. However, this ignores alternative explanations for why people might have fulfilling lives, such as community support, personal values, or psychological factors.

"Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), the British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God. Russell was an atheist, and we all know that he slept around and seduced young girls and was nasty to many people."

Premise: Bertrand Russell, an atheist, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Premise: Bertrand Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality is not possible without God.

Fallacy: This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy by attacking the character of Bertrand Russell rather than addressing the substance of his argument. Even if Russell engaged in morally questionable behavior, it doesn't necessarily invalidate his position on objective morality. The argument should focus on the merits of his argument rather than attacking his personal conduct.

"Do you want four more years of this person in political office? Vote for me, Candidate X."

Premise: The current person in political office has negative qualities or undesirable outcomes associated with their tenure.
Conclusion: Therefore, vote for Candidate X.

Fallacy: This argument employs the fallacy of appeal to emotion or fear. By framing the question as a choice between the current officeholder and Candidate X without providing substantive reasons or qualifications for Candidate X, it attempts to sway voters through emotional manipulation rather than reasoned argumentation.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Michael Starnes -
Argument: God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Premises: Many people who believe in God have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.Fallacy Assessment: This argument contains a fallacy known as "post hoc ergo propter hoc" (after this, therefore because of this). It assumes that because two events occur together or in sequence, one must have caused the other. In this case, the argument assumes that belief in God causes people to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives, which may not necessarily be true. Correlation does not imply causation.

Argument: Objective morality is not dependent on God because Bertrand Russell, an atheist, believed in objective morality but did not believe in God.
Premises: Bertrand Russell was an atheist.
Bertrand Russell believed in objective morality.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality is possible without God.Fallacy Assessment: This argument contains an ad hominem fallacy. It attacks the character of Bertrand Russell rather than addressing the merits of his argument. Even if Russell engaged in behavior considered immoral, it does not automatically invalidate his argument for the possibility of objective morality without God. Evaluating arguments based on the character of the person making them rather than their content is fallacious reasoning.

Argument: Vote for Candidate X because you don't want four more years of the incumbent's behavior.
Premises: The incumbent's behavior has been undesirable.
Conclusion: Vote for Candidate X.Fallacy Assessment: This argument contains an appeal to fear fallacy. It attempts to persuade the audience by instilling fear or anxiety about the consequences of not voting for Candidate X rather than presenting valid reasons to support their candidacy. It focuses on the negative consequences of not voting for Candidate X rather than presenting their qualifications or policies.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by JOSAFAT VANDULF ELANO -
This passage uses the fallacy of appeal to emotion or fear, trying to sway voters based on negative emotions rather than substantive reasons. It doesn't provide a logical or factual basis for why Candidate X is a better choice; instead, it relies on creating fear or dissatisfaction with the current officeholder.
In each case, identifying fallacies helps clarify why the arguments are not logically sound and why their conclusions cannot be accepted solely based on the presented premises.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by WLLM12 G -
1. Argument:
Premises: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Main Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.
Assessment: This argument contains the fallacy of correlation does not imply causation. Just because some people who believe in God have good lives doesn't necessarily mean that belief in God causes a good life. Other factors could be at play, such as social support networks, personal attitudes, or cultural factors.

2. Argument:
Premises: Bertrand Russell, an atheist philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Main Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality is possible without God.
Assessment: This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy by attacking Russell's character instead of addressing the substance of his argument. Whether Russell led a morally questionable personal life is irrelevant to the validity of his argument about objective morality.

3. Argument:
Premises: Do you want four more years of this person in political office?
Main Conclusion: Vote for me, Candidate X.
Assessment: This argument contains the fallacy of appeal to emotion. It attempts to persuade voters through fear or dislike of the current officeholder rather than presenting valid reasons to support the candidate.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Shaqoria Hay -
In argument 2 i do fee like they did attack instead of addressing the argument at hand. Even if Russell did those actions it is like you stated invalid to the argument. Even though Russell did things that we may feel is morally wrong and we focus on that it would lead to us just attacking Russell on his action rather than focusing on what the argument is really stating and about.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Valentin Ionescu -
1.Premise: Many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists. This conclusion does not logically follow from the premise

This contains a fallacy: correlation does not imply causation. It assumes that the beliving in God must be the cause for which people have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives. But there could be various other factors contributing to their well-being, such as social support, community involvement, or personal resilience.

2. Premise 1: Bertrand Russell, a British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God.
Premise 2: Russell was an atheist and engaged in immoral behavior.
Conclusion: Therefore, objective morality cannot exist without God.

This contains the "ad hominem" fallacy. Regardless of Russell's personal conduct, his argument should be evaluated based on its merits rather than his character.

3. Premise: Candidate X has been in political office for the past four years.
Conclusion: Therefore, voters should not vote for Candidate X, but for me.

This contains a fallacy. The premise implies that the Candidate x 4 years mandate was not good, but this does not imply that if people will vote me I will be better than X.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Shaqoria Hay -
As we approach voting time again argument 3 seems so real. During this time you have a lot of debates running off emotion trying to persuade people that they should vote for x since the current person has been in office for 4 year and nothing has been done. I feel we can all relate to argument 3.
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Re: Discussion: Fallacies

by Shaqoria Hay -
1. God exists because many people who believe in God go on to have healthy, happy, and meaningful lives.
Premises: People that believe in God go on to have a happy, healthy, and meaningful life.
Fallacy: Affirming the consequent
the consequent: The argument states that people who believe in God have good lives or lives a good life/ Which ties in to make it seem as if that is why God exist.
Conclusion: It states that people in good health must believe in God because they go on to be happy, healthy and meaningful live. A person does not have to believe in God to have good health that person can very well just make use their eating habits are well, they could also surround themselves with positive people, and set goals in life to follow.
2. Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), the British philosopher, said that objective morality is possible without God. Russell was an atheist, and we all know that he slept around and seduced young girls and was nasty to many people.
Premise: Russell states the morality is possible without God.Russell is an atheist.
Russell slept around with young girls and is nasty to people.
Fallacy: It states that Russell believes that morality is possible without God. Then goes to state that Russell also was atheist and seduced young girl and was not so good to others. Which shows that we need to focus on the argument and not person actions.
Conclusion: Morality is not possible without God.

3. Do you want four more years of this person in political office? Vote for me, Candidate X.
Premise: Current person has been in office for four year.

Fallacy: Appeal emotions. In this argument they are trying to persuade voter to vote for them and not X. They most likely are basing things off emotions during the election period and time.
Conclusion: Makes you think voter should not vote for candidate x and should vote them instead.