Discussion: Marx and Communism

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As you are already aware, The Communist Manifesto reflects an attempt to explain the goals of communism, as well as the theory underlying this movement. Both Engels and Marx argue that class struggles are the motivations for all historical developments - mostly between the "proletariat" and the "bourgeois". Who comprises these classes and why have they, according to the authors, created such class conflict? Post your response in the discussion forum, and check back to see what some of your classmates have written. Feel free to leave comments on the posts of your classmates.

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by Amber McKennerney -
People compromise these classes in the way that they can be unpredictable and change their mind.
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by Alan Birnie -
The defining characteristic of each class hinges on the bourgeoisie’s ownership of the means of production, and the proletariat’s necessity to work for their livelihood. Marx anticipated a class struggle based on the conflicting desires of these classes: the bourgeoise’s desire for increased profit and the proletariat’s desire for fair pay and favourable working conditions.
What is interesting now is the ease with which “the proletariat” can now invest in share markets. Furthermore, many companies not only encourage but also assist employees to buy shares in the company itself. This strategy aims to align the interests of shareholders, ho are the owners, with those of employees.
Undoubtedly, these are developments that Marx could not have anticipated.
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by Amin Ullah -
Karl Marx’s ideas on communism, as articulated in works like ,The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, center around the critique of capitalism and the vision of a classless society. Marx argued that capitalism, characterized by private ownership and profit-driven production, inherently leads to inequality and exploitation of the working class (proletariat) by the owning class (bourgeoisie). He believed that the only solution was a revolutionary overthrow of capitalist systems, leading to the establishment of a communist society where the means of production are collectively owned. In this ideal society, Marx envisioned the abolition of private property, social classes, and economic inequality, resulting in a state of communal ownership and equality.
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by Abhinav Malik -
According to Marx, the rise of capitalism in Europe created class conflict because the interests of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat were at odds, and resources were unjustly distributed among them. The bourgeoisie is the powerful minority class, while the proletariat is the oppressed majority class. Engels and Marx argued that class struggles are the motivations for all historical developments, and that the history of mankind has been a history of class struggles.
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by Aruzhan Alimzhanova -

Marx and Engels say that there are two classes in society. One class is called the bourgeoisie. They own factories and land. The other class is called proletariat. They work for the bourgeoisie for money. Marx and Engels think that the bourgeoisie take money from the proletariat and make more money. This is not fair.The authors say that this conflict is in capitalist countries where things that make things are owned by people. They say that changes in history, like revolutions and changes in society, are because of this conflict. Marx and Engels say that the end of the conflict will be when the workers take away the things from the rich people and make them all be owned together. This is what communism is about, like in *The Communist Manifesto*.


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by Kamini Shiralkar -
In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels identify two primary classes: the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The bourgeoisie, or capitalist class, comprises the owners of the means of production, such as factories, machinery, and capital. This class benefits from exploiting the labor of others, accumulating wealth and power through their control of economic resources. In contrast, the proletariat, or working class, consists of those who sell their labor to the bourgeoisie in exchange for wages. The proletariat does not own the means of production and, therefore, is dependent on the bourgeoisie for employment and sustenance.

According to Marx and Engels, class conflict arises from the inherent antagonism between these two groups. The bourgeoisie seeks to maximize profit by paying workers as little as possible, while the proletariat strives for better wages and working conditions. This fundamental conflict leads to exploitation and alienation of workers, as their labor generates wealth for the bourgeoisie while they remain marginalized and oppressed. Marx and Engels argue that this ongoing struggle is a driving force behind historical developments and social change. They predict that the growing awareness and solidarity among the proletariat will eventually lead to a revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system, establishing a classless, communist society where the means of production are collectively owned.
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by Chaloma Kunda -
Karl Marx's on communism, outlined primarily in works like The Communist Manifesto (written with Friedrich Engels) and Das Kapital, center on the critique of capitalist societies and the proposition of a classless, stateless society achieved through revolutionary means. Marx saw capitalism as an exploitative system where the working class (proletariat) is oppressed by the ruling class (bourgeoisie) that controls the means of production. According to Marx, this economic system inevitably leads to social inequality, economic crises, and alienation, where workers are disconnected from the fruits of their labor and from each other.
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by Janice Angeles -
In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels explain that society has always been divided into two primary classes: the bourgeoisie (the capitalist class who owns the means of production, such as factories and land) and the proletariat (the working class who sell their labor in exchange for wages). The bourgeoisie controls the economy and uses its power to exploit the proletariat, leading to class conflict. According to Marx and Engels, this struggle is the driving force behind historical change.

The class conflict exists because the bourgeoisie profits by exploiting the proletariat’s labor, paying them less than the value they produce. Over time, this exploitation causes resentment and dissatisfaction among the proletariat. Marx and Engels argue that this conflict will eventually lead to a revolution in which the proletariat will overthrow the bourgeoisie, abolish private property, and establish a classless society. This revolutionary change is seen as inevitable due to the contradictions within capitalism.
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by Melissa Wicksel -
The "proletariat" are the working class, the industrial laborers who do not own the means of production. The "bourgeoisie" are the capitalist class, the owners of the means of production.

The class conflict arises from the inherent inequality in this system. The bourgeoisie exploit the proletariat by paying them wages that are less than the value they create, leading to a constant struggle between the two classes. This struggle is fueled by the bourgeoisie's desire to maintain their power and wealth, while the proletariat seeks to improve their living conditions and achieve economic and social justice.
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by Darshit Bhosle -
The bourgeoisie are the capitalist class owning the means of production, while the proletariat are the working class who sell their labor. Marx and Engels argue that class conflict arises because the bourgeoisie exploit the proletariat to maximize profits, fueling inequality and revolution.
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by Vanshika Patel -
In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels identify two primary classes in capitalist society: the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The bourgeoisie are the owners of the means of production — factories, land, and capital. They control wealth and power, shaping society to maintain their dominance. The proletariat, on the other hand, are the working class. They do not own the means of production and must sell their labor to survive, often under exploitative conditions.

The class conflict arises because the bourgeoisie profits by extracting surplus value from the labor of the proletariat, creating an unequal power dynamic. According to Marx and Engels, this exploitation is not only economic but systemic, embedded in the very structure of capitalism. As the bourgeoisie pursues profit and expands markets, they deepen the workers' alienation and suffering, leading to inevitable class struggle. The authors argue that this tension will eventually lead the proletariat to rise up, overthrow the bourgeoisie, and establish a classless society.
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by Jaywant Varak -
In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels define two primary social classes:

1. The Bourgeoisie – This class consists of capitalists, business owners, and those who control the means of production (factories, land, and resources). They accumulate wealth by exploiting labor and benefit from the capitalist system.


2. The Proletariat – This class includes workers who sell their labor for wages. They do not own the means of production and are dependent on the bourgeoisie for employment.



Why Does Class Conflict Exist?

Marx and Engels argue that history is shaped by class struggles, and under capitalism, the conflict between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat is particularly intense. The bourgeoisie seek to maximize profits by paying workers as little as possible, while the proletariat struggles for fair wages, better working conditions, and basic rights. This economic exploitation creates a fundamental tension between the two groups.

According to The Communist Manifesto, this struggle will eventually lead to a proletarian revolution, where workers overthrow the bourgeoisie, abolish private property, and establish a classless society. Marx and Engels believe that only through such a revolution can economic and social inequalities be eradicated.

What do you think—do you see evidence of this class struggle in today’s society? Let’s discuss!
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by Dimass Wahyu Pratama -
In *The Communist Manifesto*, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels describe two primary social classes: the **bourgeoisie** and the **proletariat**. The **bourgeoisie** are the capitalist class, the owners of the means of production such as factories, land, and capital. They control the economic resources and have the power to dictate the conditions under which goods are produced and workers are employed. The **proletariat**, on the other hand, are the working class who sell their labor in exchange for wages. They do not own the means of production and therefore have to work for the bourgeoisie in order to survive.

Marx and Engels argue that the conflict between these two classes is the driving force of historical development. The bourgeoisie, in their quest for profit, exploit the proletariat, paying them less than the value of their labor and accumulating wealth at their expense. This unequal relationship creates inherent class conflict, with the proletariat being oppressed and alienated. According to the authors, this conflict will eventually lead to the proletariat’s revolution, overthrowing the bourgeoisie and establishing a classless, communist society where the means of production are collectively owned, thus eliminating the class distinctions that cause exploitation.
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by Ruoyu Lin -
The "proletariat" are the working class who sell their labor, and the "bourgeois" are the capitalist class who own the means of production. Marx and Engels argue that class conflict arises because the bourgeois exploit the proletariat for profit, creating inequality and tension. This struggle, they believe, drives historical change and societal evolution.