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Evaluate these definitions. If you find a definition inadequate or flawed, try to provide a better definition. Then, share your thoughts on the discussion forum. Make sure to review and respond to other students' posts, as well.

  1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
  2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."

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by Cris Hass -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Love is not the desire to be desired, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it. Love is the desire to be the best version of yourself for another person.
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with a fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
This definition is missing the origin of clouds. There should be another part specifically stating that a cloud is formed from water being evaporated then condensed in the atmosphere.
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by Colte Rindlesbach -
"Love is not the desire to be desired, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it. Love is the desire to be the best version of yourself for another person"

I agree that the original definition provided( Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.) is one sided. your definition of love is an improvement for sure. Its so fascinating to see and read others personal definitions to such a complex and universal feeling.
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by Bridgett Pittman -
I definitely agree with the point that the cloud definition is missing a very valuable point! Good insight!
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by Bernales Jai -
I disagree to the "Love is not the desire to be desired.'' part. Love has various definition, Mark Twain has his own definition, and you, also have own definition. Whether it is one-dimensional or two way of looking at it, Mark's definition of love must not be ignored.
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by Gul Ruhama -
I think it is more than needed to talk about the origin of the cloud but the your insight on love is really fine.
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by TIARA CHARITY -
In your explanation i would ask what is the concept of the best version of yourself when you use it to explain love
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by Colte Rindlesbach -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Mark Twains definition of love is really basic and leaves no room for the different types of love. I think it would be best to define love as " a strong and addictive emotion that can look and feel different from individual to individual. "

Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
I think this definition is pretty solid, its described in a way that its able to be imagined, and seen even to someone who may have poor vision/blind. its short but creates a nice word picture.
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by K Amanda -
1: This is a one perspective thinking. Theres many ways to love. This is not critically thinking. Critically thinking is not biased.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Ashlee Trussell -
Mark Twain's definition of love as "the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired" captures the essence of the emotional aspect of love. It highlights the mutual attraction and longing between individuals in a relationship. However, while this definition beautifully captures one aspect of love, it may not fully encompass the complexity and depth of love as an emotion.

Love is a multifaceted emotion that encompasses more than just the desire to be desired. It includes feelings of affection, care, and compassion towards another person. Love involves a deep emotional connection, understanding, and acceptance of the other person. It also involves selflessness, sacrifice, and a willingness to support and nurture the well-being and happiness of the loved one.

A more comprehensive definition of love could be: "Love is a profound and enduring emotional bond between individuals, characterized by affection, care, compassion, and a deep sense of connection. It involves a mutual desire for the well-being and happiness of the loved one, often accompanied by selflessness, sacrifice, and a willingness to support and nurture."

Moving on to the definition of a cloud as "a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." This definition provides a basic understanding of what a cloud is, emphasizing its physical characteristics and the fact that it is constantly changing in shape. However, it lacks some important details about how clouds form and their role in the water cycle.

A more comprehensive definition of a cloud could be: "A cloud is a visible collection of water droplets or ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere. It forms when warm air rises and cools, causing water vapor to condense into tiny droplets or ice crystals around particles such as dust or salt. Clouds come in various shapes, sizes, and altitudes, and their formation, appearance, and movement are influenced by factors like temperature, humidity, and wind patterns. Clouds play a crucial role in the Earth's water cycle, as they transport and distribute water vapor, eventually leading to precipitation in the form of rain, snow, or other forms."

By providing a more comprehensive definition, we can enhance our understanding of what a cloud truly is and its significance in the natural processes that occur in our atmosphere.
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by Olivia Cox -
I appreciated your response to the inadequacies of the above definition of love. I like how you stated that love is a multifaceted concept and how you touched on points that are less to do with the longing or desire which are more of an instant gratification, and showed how love is a long process without the simple aspect of just desire.
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by Olivia Cox -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
1. I find this definition to be inadequate. While the sentiment is endearing it fails to touch on the true blocks or qualities of love, like communication, compassion, patience, etc.
If I were to try and give a better definition than that of Mark Twain stated above. I might say: “Love is ability to show another compassion, kindness, patience, empathy and joy without the promise or guarantee of the same in return”
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
2. This definition is flawed due to its generalized and vague nature. Due to the extensive scientific knowledge developed we know the makeup of clouds and their purpose. If I were to give my definition of a cloud I would say something like: “clouds are a part of the water cycle formed from the process of evaporation and precipitation. They have four main forms known as cumulus, stratus, nimbus and cirrus. Clouds are formed from water molecules and ice crystals in the Earths atmosphere“
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by John Heathcliff -
Nice insights on love, Olivia. Love is so much more than being irresistibly desired. I thought his fleecy texture did what he intended it to do, which is to evoke in the reader a warm, comforting, pillowy soft feeling that can come from looking at clouds .
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by Ahmed Abdirahman Ahmed -
When evaluating Mark Twain's definition of love as "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired" it presents an intriguing concept. Twain's definition emphasizes the reciprocal nature of love, where individuals not only experience a strong desire for someone but also yearn to be desired by that person in return. This definition aligns with the passionate love described by Berscheid and Hatfield, which involves intense attraction, arousal, and heightened emotional experiences (Gordon, 2022, para. 3).

Reference: Gordon, A. (2022). What Is Love. Psychology Today. Retrieved from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-you-and-me/202209/what-is-love
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by Abdul Wahab -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Everyone wants someone who looks at their achievements and is inspired by them. The emotional attachment to that person's desire is love. If the partner was just manipulating to gain some benefit, soon he/she reveals the intention. Individual emotional stress is based on the fact that their life's accomplishments meant nothing to their so-called partner. It fits with the reality well, that love is the feeling that comes from the actions of an impressed person in your life.
2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
I think it explains the behavior of the cloud and its shape. It does not explain what makes it cloud or its existence.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Catherine Quinn -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Love and the desire for love are the natural desire for connection. Mark Twain's definition further states that love is wanting to be wanted by another person, and wanting them to feel the same about you. Especially when considering reciprocation in romantic love.

2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
This definition does an excellent job of describing the physical characteristics of a cloud but leaves the origin and purpose in question. An alternative definition might describe where and how different clouds are formed and the significance they hold.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Steven Zuniga-Smith -
Mark Twain's definition of love remains incomplete. It captures a specific aspect of passionate desire in love but overlooks its broader dimensions and potential pitfalls. Love is complex that includes desire, intimacy, care, and shared values, and any attempt to define love in a single sentence will inevitably fall short.
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by N Lanier -
I agree; 'love' is highly subjective. Everyone will have their own definition, and I think love by it's nature it too abstract of a concept for a singular definition.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Desiree Polo -
Evaluating the Definitions:
1. Love:
Mark Twain's definition, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," is certainly witty and captures the intensity and reciprocity often associated with romantic love. However, it is also potentially inadequate and flawed for several reasons:

Limited Scope: It ignores other types of love, such as self-love, familial love, and platonic love, in favor of concentrating only on romantic love.

Superficiality: Rather than focusing on more profound elements like empathy, compassion, or shared ideals, it highlights the want for desire.

Unhealthy Power Dynamics: The term "irresistible" may suggest possessiveness or manipulation, which can result in unhealthy relationships.

This might be a more accurate definition:
Love is a complicated feeling that is defined by a great deal of respect, caring, and compassion for another person. It can take many different forms, such as self-love, platonic, family, and romantic. Love is more than just want and attraction; it's also about empathy, understanding, and a sincere concern for the other person's well.

2. Cloud:
The definition of a cloud as "a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change" is generally accurate, but could benefit from being more scientific and specific:

Technical error: The term "fleecy texture" is ambiguous and subjective.
Restricted information: No mention of composition, formation mechanism, or meteorological influence is made.
Here's a potentially better definition:

A cloud is an observable mass of microscopic ice crystals or water droplets floating in the atmosphere. Depending on temperature, pressure, and wind, these particles can take on a variety of forms and sizes through condensation or sublimation. Clouds have an impact on precipitation and solar absorption, as well as weather patterns and the Earth's water cycle.
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by John Heathcliff -
Really good job, Desiree! You totally deconstructed and critically assessed the way Twain is looking down his nose at those who think love is defined by immature feelings of a romantic nature. While "fleecy texture" it is not an accurate definition of a cloud, I think he uses it to evoke a certain feeling in the reader, a feeling that clouds are pillow soft and comforting.
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by Osvaldo De Leon -
I enjoyed your discussion of the different kinds of love that Twain's definition ignores.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Jamie Rayot -
Your definition of love is multifaceted and all encompassing, where I'm assuming, Mark Twains' was meant to limit the scope to express a specific feeling while reading his work.
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by Olha Semeniuk -
Mark Twain's definition of love captures the essence of longing and reciprocity within romantic relationships. It emphasizes the mutual desire to be desired by one's partner, highlighting the emotional and psychological aspects of love. However, some might find this definition overly focused on the romantic aspect of love and may argue that love encompasses a broader spectrum of emotions and relationships beyond romantic love.

A potential improvement could be to expand the definition to include various types of love, such as familial love, platonic love, and self-love. For example, love could be defined as "an intense feeling of affection and attachment towards someone or something, characterized by a strong desire for reciprocation and connection."

Now, regarding the definition of a cloud, it accurately captures the basic characteristics of a cloud as a meteorological phenomenon. It describes a cloud as a large, semi-transparent mass with a fleecy texture that is suspended in the atmosphere and continually changes shape. This definition effectively conveys the dynamic and ever-changing nature of clouds.

However, to enhance the definition, one could add information about how clouds form, the different types of clouds, and their role in the Earth's climate system. For instance, a revised definition could be: "A cloud is a visible mass of condensed water vapor or ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere, formed through condensation or sublimation processes. Clouds come in various types, shapes, and altitudes, playing a crucial role in weather patterns and climate regulation." This expanded definition provides a more comprehensive understanding of clouds and their significance in meteorology and atmospheric science.
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by John Heathcliff -
Twain's definition of love is characteristic of his dry humor and literary flair because it is more of a "persuasive definition" that is mildly derogatory or at the very least pretty sarcastic. In this quote, he is alluding to what many people mistake love to be; not by what one gives to others but by what one receives from an admirer, namely, adoration that feeds the ego. Similarly, his definition of a cloud is not a precising definition, it is a reportive definition ("a large, semi-transparent mass" "suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change") combined with a persuasive definition with a persuasive definition "fleecy texture" that helps evoke an emotive response by comparing a cloud's texture to a lambs fleece; which is a pillowy, soft, comforting allusion.
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by Mark Mejico Mejico -
1. This is inadequate since it is limited to only one perspective and Love can take in various forms in different contexts.
2. It lacks important information such as the formation and content of the clouds.
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by connie coker -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

Mark Twain’s definition of love is his interpretation of how he sees love. Love is an emotion, a feeling- so everyone’s interpretation of love will be different.

2.Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."

The definition above describing a cloud creates a picturesque interpretation of a cloud. Maybe adding some science (evaporation, water, so on) along with the original description would help create a better definition.
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by Beato Candundu -
1. Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." is a quotation rather interesting. On the one hand, there is the atraction fenomenon of the lover to the loved subject. The atraction of one lover rekindles the loved response in the other. In the quotation in question, the irresistible desire of one is answered by the one strongly desired.
2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." The cloud formation is something beyond any humanly designed sciences setting. The atmosferic pressures is responsible in bringing about the dense vapour accumulation and its suspenssion in the atmosfere.
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by Paul Vaifanua Jr. -
Love’s definition is undefinable. Yes, there is text explaining/clarifying its meaning, but love is an emotion that has different meanings. It’s beyond a simple response.
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by Osvaldo De Leon -
1. I think Mark Twain's definition of love is inadequate because it is focused on the desire, which one can arguably suggest is not love. I think at first glance, the definition sounds beautiful, who wouldn't want a partner who desires them? Nonetheless, one could point out that if love is a desire, what about it when it fades away? Was there no desire, thus? Love could be better define as wanting the good of the other. Of course, my definition could be inadequate and flawed, but I believe that's the definition of love. Love is about wanting someone else to do good simply by virtue of being them. Aristotle in the Ethics defends a notion of friendship based on virtue, which he argues is the true meaning of friendship. By the same token, I believe we safely can say that love is about wanting the good of the other because you genuinely care and love them. Therefore, while Twain's definition of love, which for him is "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," I would suggest it is only a desire, but not a wanting the good of the other, which in my view is want the other to be in a good state of life even if they are not with me.
2. The definition being give of a cloud is "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." I think it is flawed to suggest that only a cloud has a "fleecy texture," since there could be other natural phenomena in the sky that have such texture. This definition does not touch on the essence of a cloud which is that it is in the atmosphere that has a evaporated component to it.
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by Vinicius Amorim Vieira de Sa -
Hello Osvaldo,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I agree with you the second definition is flawed. I don't believe clouds have a "fleecy texture". How could someone touch a cloud in a simple experiment?

Regards,
Vinicius.
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by Jayne Boehme -
1. (That is an awesome quote.) It does make you think about the essence of what love is. Unfortunately, love is used for so many different types of experiences that it would take many entries to offer a full list of the types of love. For example, the Greeks used several different words for love at the time of Plato (probably before. I'm not sure of the exact dates that these words originated) : eros: romantic love, passion, desire; agape: unconditional love, charity or selflessness; philia: friendship; and so many more... Self-love, familial love, etc.
There certainly is some truth to Twain's definition. It's a phenomenon that is difficult to explain at best.

2. I can see that the person is trying to get at the essence of what a cloud is. Definitions are made of slippery stuff. Once you pronounce one attribute, it's challenging to go back to redefine/home the meaning. 

First, I would say that a cloud need not necessarily be "large". But that is what people think of when the word is said or of many clouds together in the sky. Second, semi-transparent, I don't know that that is the best description, but it is trying to capture the effect that it is composed of water particles and is highly subject to change. Third, fleecy, again, I am not sure that that is a good descriptor. Fleece is something that is made from wool. Were we able to touch clouds, they would not feel literally "fleecy". They look perhaps fleecy.

Fourth, they are suspended in the atmosphere. They can hang low to the ground, also called fog, or they can go way up in the sky. There are several types of clouds: cumulus, stratus, etc... A good definition would probably explain the different types of clouds, how they are categorized (one way being where they form in the sky: high, medium, or low-level). Fifth, being subject to change is a fascinating aspect of clouds. But a good definition would probably explain how they are changed and by what pressures and/or effects.
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by Vishesh Uniyal -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

The first question to answer:

a) Who actually said this quote?
b) What was the perspective of the quotee?
c) Were there any prejudices?

Now, the quote was said by the American poet Robert Frost, the citation of the quote is unclear and is believed to have been said in the early 1900s.

After some research, I found that Mr. Frost's life was far from an ideal one. Under all the fame, he suffered a lot of losses throughout his life. His father died of tuberculosis when he was 11 years old, he lost his son Elliott (1896–1900, died of cholera), his daughter Elinor Bettina (died just one day after her birth in 1907). Two of his other kids died before him, hid son Carol (1902–1940), and his daughter Marjorie (1905–1934, died as a result of puerperal fever after childbirth), his wife, Elinor, experienced bouts of depression, she developed breast cancer in 1937 and died of heart failure in 1938. Only his two daughters Lesley and Irma outlived their father.
From further reading, it seems that he lived under a lot of stress to provide for his family, and his wife, also had to work very hard to keep the family afloat.
(Gerber, Philip L.. "Robert Frost". Encyclopedia Britannica, 25 Jan. 2024, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-Frost. Accessed 27 February 2024.)

This evidence indicates that Mr. Frost, aside from the fame and sometimes transient happiness, was under a lot of stress.
Which can tell us something about his point of view towards love, here, I'm going to make a rough assumption that after loosing so many dear to him, he felt crippling loneliness, and wanted to elevate from this stress and sadness, hence the quote:

"Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

can be felt really inadequate from our standards of love.

This is my answer, I do not wish to replace this definition of love, as this is the representation of love from a very unique point of view by one of the greatest scholars of the 20th century.

Now, I can add another definition of love from my perspective, though I'm too tired for it now, and I've seen other great definitions in this forum, so I'll keep my definition to myself.

2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."

This definition is a general definition for a cloud, if we consider that clouds on other planets are of different gases and not just water vapor, there are clouds of sulfuric acid on Venus (read the source, https://www.kobe-u.ac.jp/en/news/article/2019_01_09_01/ ), if you want to give an everyday definition of a cloud, you can add the detail of how water vapor forms clouds for the humans on Earth, otherwise, this definition is adequate.
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by Jose Mendez -
1. Love can be different forms of appreciation of a thing/person/object, in different cultures can vary, but a fact is that love can be expressed by appreciation

2. Oversimplify the definition of a cloud, can vary in form and color
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by asifa shaikh -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." 
Love is not the desire to be desired, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it. Love is the desire to be the best version of yourself for another person. 
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with a fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
This definition is missing the origin of clouds. There should be another part specifically stating that a cloud is formed from water being evaporated then condensed in the atmosphere.

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by Emma E Wellington -
Good evening!
I also thought the cloud definition was missing scientific fact, such as water evaporation. I think this would definitely bring more clarity to the definition!
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by Payce Petersen -
1. Mark Twain's definition of love is viewed through the scope of belonging. However, there are many forms and definitions of love. Yes, love is important when speaking of connections with your family, spouse, children, etc... I think a rephrased version would be "Love is the irresistible desire to be surrounded by purpose."
2. This definition does not mention water vapor, otherwise is fog a cloud? Haze?
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by Erin Berger -
1. I disagree with Mark Twain's definition of love. He says "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." I would like to define love as the feeling of deep compassion, interest and care for a person, place or thing.
2. Cloud being defined as "a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change" is a pretty good definition. I think that water should be mentioned.
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by Daniel Sosa -
1. Mark Twain's definition only includes the want to be loved, but not the action of wanting to love. Also, it is possible for one to love someone and not want "desire to be irresistibly desired" because they are already irresistibly desired.
2. This definition of cloud does not contain information like water contents. Also the word "large" is relative. Maybe the clouds are small.
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by WLLM12 G -
1. Inadequate - Twain's definition lacks clarity. A better definition: "Love is a deep emotional connection and care for someone, characterized by mutual affection and understanding."

2. Adequate - The definition effectively captures the essential features of a cloud.
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by Emma E Wellington -
Good evening!
I wonder if love has to be mutual. Can one love another who does not love them? Or can a pet love and understand an owner the way an owner understands a pet? I also wonder how we may consider defining "deep" in terms of emotional connection, because I feel as though this is subjective for everyone?
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by Andrés Ramírez -
1. It's flawed: although its poetic and beautiful, it's a circular definition. Love is the attraction towards a living or non-living thing, where there is a connection between the giver and the receiver.
2. It's alright.
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by Rehan Ullah -
Mark Twain's definition of love, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," captures the essence of longing and reciprocity in romantic relationships. However, it may oversimplify love, overlooking its complexities and variations. Love encompasses more than just desire; it involves empathy, trust, and mutual respect. A revised definition could emphasize the emotional connection and commitment that characterize love, acknowledging its multidimensional nature.

Regarding the definition of a cloud as "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change," it provides a basic understanding of clouds' physical characteristics. However, it lacks depth in explaining the diverse types and functions of clouds in meteorology. A better definition could incorporate information about cloud formation, composition, and roles in weather patterns, providing a more comprehensive understanding of clouds' significance in the atmosphere.

In the discussion forum, I would share these insights, emphasizing the importance of critically evaluating definitions to ensure clarity and accuracy. I would encourage classmates to contribute their perspectives on these definitions and offer their own interpretations. Engaging in constructive discussions allows us to deepen our understanding of complex concepts and refine our critical thinking skills.
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by Emma E Wellington -
1. This definition of love, although a poetic one, is flawed. Without bringing context to 'irresistible' and 'desire' we are left to wonder what scale or level of emotion love is. I could say I have an irresistible desire to eat chocolate, but the desire is not as strong as loving my husband. Love is also experienced differently for everyone, and we can never truly understand another's conception of it. Love really can not be defined adequately, as I don't believe there is a single, unanimous experience with love.

2. This definition is flawed as it is more subjective in terms of "fleecy texture" and "semi-transparent" and should include more scientific terms. A more appropriate definition would include "condensed water vapor."
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by Ashley Steigerwaldt -

1. Mark Twain's definition of love is his perspective. Love can mean many things to many people.

2. The definition of a cloud also seems perspective. We all know that clouds do not have a 'fleecy texture' as they consist of water and therefore feel like mist.

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by Erickson Totanes -
1. Mark Twain is wrong. Love is the capacity to give oneself to another without the need to be irresistibly desired.
2. The definition of cloud sufficed. But that it changed, the process as to its formation should be included in the definition.
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by diana kydd -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
It focuses solely on desire and doesn't consider other aspects of love like care, compassion, or emotional connection.

Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
"Fleecy texture" might not capture all cloud types (e.g., cirrus clouds are wispy, not fleecy).
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by Samuel Klco -
1. it is a circular definition
This is a better one: Love is selfless desire to be emotionaly connected to something ore someone.
2. it is too narrow because all clouds are not large and there also isnt an origin of the clouds
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by Eric Raska -
Samuel,
I agree with your assertion that Twain's definition seems to be circular in its logic. I feel that love is more like you stated, a selfless desire and strong emotional connection that cannot be explained towards something or someone.
Eric
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by stacey kavanagh -
1)This seems to describe new love or romantic love and does not include all of the very different levels.
2)The definition of a cloud should have some more factual information including the scientific definition of how clouds are created.
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by Maylen Bellodo -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
Overall, this definition provides an insightful and detailed description of a cloud, highlighting its size, appearance, location, and dynamic nature. It goes beyond the simple understanding of a cloud, offering a more scientific and poetic perspective.
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by MARK NELSON -
1. Seems circular? Is missing the fact that love can be one sided, or the different types of love (maternal for example). Clever turn of phrase though...

2. I would remove the size, fleecy texture, and atmosphere terms, as those are for cumulus or cirrus (etc.) formations on Earth. "A cloud is a mass, suspended in a larger medium or environment, whose shape is often irregular and subject to change as it moves to diffuse and reach equilibrium with the larger medium or environment."
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by Sanika Bari -
"Love is not the desire to be desired, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it. Love is the desire to be the best version of yourself for another person"

I agree that the original definition provided( Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.) is one sided. your definition of love is an improvement for sure. Its so fascinating to see and read others personal definitions to such a complex and universal feeling.
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by Leslie Tapper -
Mark Twain's definition of love is admirable but too narrow of a definition since love also be perceived as action. A better definition of love would be "a feeling, act or state of mind based on the condition of having deep affection in regards to another thing.'

The definition of a cloud is also flawed due to being too vague about what the 'mass' of a cloud is comprised of. A better definition would be "a cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass of water vapor with fleecy texture suspending in tghe atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
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by Scott Shockley -
Mark Twain's definition of love is flawed. Love goes far beyond the desire to be desired. Love can be selfless, platonic, romantic, etc. It is an incredibly difficult thing to define.

The definition of a cloud could be improved upon by defining what the cloud consists of. The texture of the cloud is not relevant to the description, however we could include colors.
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by Corne Botha -
1. Seems circular and emotive. I think Love is the foundation of relationships, and a defining characteristic of God.
2. Not accurate and not showing the most common attribute (rain). A cloud is a dynamic mass of condensed water in the atmosphere, and important for precipitation.
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by Michael Starnes -
Mark Twain's definition of love beautifully captures a certain aspect of human emotion. It emphasizes the mutual attraction and longing that often characterize romantic relationships. Love involves a powerful desire or longing for someone else, wanting to be close to them, to connect deeply, and to experience joy and fulfillment together. Twain's definition also highlights the desire to feel wanted and valued by the other person, not just loving them but being loved in return, feeling cherished, and appreciated. This definition underscores the reciprocity inherent in love—the give and take, mutual admiration, and shared vulnerability that deepen emotional bonds. It speaks to the human longing for connection and intimacy, as well as the joy of being desired by another.

"A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." This description vividly portrays what a cloud is and how it behaves in the atmosphere. Clouds are indeed large formations in the sky, composed of tiny water droplets or ice crystals, allowing light to pass through them to varying degrees, creating their characteristic appearance. The phrase "fleecy texture" evokes the soft, fluffy nature often associated with clouds, resembling fleece or cotton, floating gracefully across the sky. Clouds are held aloft in the Earth's atmosphere, at various altitudes influenced by temperature, humidity, and air pressure. Their ever-changing nature, shifting and morphing constantly due to atmospheric dynamics and environmental conditions, adds to their beauty and allure. This dynamic quality is integral to weather forecasting and climate science, highlighting the importance of understanding clouds in our natural environment.
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by Brianna Amaral -
The definition of a cloud when reading seems to assume one knows what a cloud already is. It is a difficult word to define otherwise such as the color blue. If you do not know what the color looks like or what a cloud looks like already how would another visualize the imagery.
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by monica thompson -
1 - "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistible desired." This is a persuasive definition, full of emotion, that connects love to desire. It leaves aside both platonic forms of love as well as the possibility of a love that is less reciprocal. Love is an emotion that is linked to the feeling of wanting to be closer to another, whether romantic or Platonic.

2 - "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." A precise definition, it lacks only what a cloud is made of. A large, semi-transparent mass made of water droplets and particles of ice, with a fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change.
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by Melissa Aves -
Twain's definition sounds like a romantic love, not parent/child, friendship, etc.
The cloud definition sounds like someone's opinion.
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by Aedan Masker -
1. Love has many definitions. There is love that is familial in nature, so desire doesn't play into it.

2. Fleecy texture seems subjective as most people have never felt a cloud. How large, is there a size limit on a cloud? Continual change- there are clouds that do not change shape.
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by Steven Requena -
2. Large and fleecy are subjective and can be removed from this definition. The definition should go into further detail of how and why clouds are formed.
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by JOSAFAT VANDULF ELANO -
highlighting the mutual attraction and longing that define romantic relationships. Twain was commenting on the human desire for validation and acceptance from others.
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by Yasir Mahmood -
Love is not only a desire but an enevitable condition that has to be faced by everyone.
I totally agree with the definition of a cloud
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by Valentin Ionescu -
1. first one is is a circular definition
2. second one seems fine, but maybe does not exclude something else. It could also be a piece of fine cloth or fabric carried by the wind through the air.
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by Luis Vargas -
I do not find a flaw in these statements.

One provides definition by added emotion to the definition of love and the other is a distinct definition on the view of what a cloud is.
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by Nicholas Greene -
1) I think Mark Twain's definition of love is difficult to disprove. Singer loves her fans because she wishes for them to adore her. I can't think of anything to add to it to clarify it further. It is succient.

2) I think this definition is sufficent to describe what a cloud looks like. A chemist might describe a cloud as "condensed vapors suspended in the atmosphere"
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by Ryan Theobald -
1. Twain's definition can be used for employers seeking new employees with a specific skill set that is a requirement for the business to operate. Another definition of love is embracing vulnerability within oneself or others without judgement in a positive view.

2. This definition does not cover all types of clouds, for example, digital clouds of information.
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by Vinicius Amorim Vieira de Sa -
Hello Ryan,

I liked the alternative definition of love, reading the other comments you can see that love has a wide variety of definitions and meanings.

Kind regards,
Vinicius.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Carlo Lionetti -
1. Reflection on Mark Twain's definition of love: if we look at different etymologies of the word, we find the Latin Version "lubet", it pleases, the Sanskrit Version, "lubhyati", it desires, the Hebrew version, Ahav, "to give", the Arabic Version "hubb", same root as the word "seed'. Defining Love through a Critical Thinking lens might be one of the hardest challenge. We cannot definitely define it through a linear definition, but we can use a spherical one! What does it mean? A definition that, as a sphere, doesn't have a beginning and end but only a constant flow, a constant research, which is, ultimately, the core of the Critical Thinking process.
2. Reflection on the definition of a cloud: the above mentioned definition can be semantically correct, but, yet, limited to a superficial view. It is challenging, for me, to define clouds as a semi-transparent mass. I would define clouds as travelling H2O particles! :)
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by Vinicius Amorim Vieira de Sa -
1. I disagree with Mark Twain's definition of love. I see love as the exact opposite. I would adjust Twain's definition to something like: "Love is the irresistible desire for another person." You could extend "person" to include animals, things, or even ideas. However, unlike Twain, I think love is not self-centered but focused on the other person. This could also refer to oneself, but then we're talking about self-love.

2. I think this description is a bit flawed because it's not a simple task to define the texture of a cloud. I would rephrase the definition this way: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass, generally composed of water droplets or ice, suspended in the atmosphere, and its shape is subject to continual change."
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by Oliver Fleming -

1. 

This definition is ineffective as it is circular. In Twains definition love is defined as ‘an irresistible desire’, which means this definition can be rephrased as; love is the desire to be loved. Defining love by its relation to being loved inherently provides no answers.

Love: A deeply passionate affection

2. 

I think this definition is more appropriate, although it is based purely on appearances rather than what scientifically constitutes a cloud. I would change the use of ‘texture’ as it implies a solid physical property to something that isnt solid. 

A better definition would describe the scientific processes behind clouds with less focus on appearances. 

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by Shaqoria Hay -
Let me say your post caught my attention because the way you worded what Twains says was right on point. That why i stated love can be seen different here because the way love is given can vary by culture as well as by the individual. Because you can wanted to be love and seen so amazing in a persons eye, but how will that person describe their love for you. We all want someone to see us so attractive and love us over the top but how do we know the view of love that person has.

And I think we all agreed that here with the clouds we felt they were missing the process on how clouds are exactly formed and what makes them vary.
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by Siddika Koly -
1. The definition excludes one sided love. Love in my definition is lot more that desire.
Love is a feeling involving someone or something and feeling deep affection toward the object of love and a desire to do something good about it.

2. It's more focused on appearance . And has a connotation that it is hard object. It should include what cloud does or how it is formed.
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by Lindsay C -
Mark Twain defined love as an irresistible urge to be desired by someone else. This definition emphasizes the importance of attraction and validation in romantic relationships and our desire to feel admired and appreciated. The definition of a cloud as a semi-transparent, ever-changing mass suspended in the atmosphere suggests its beauty and fluidity. It reminds us of the beautiful nature of life, and encourages us to appreciate the natural world and its interconnectedness.
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by Shaqoria Hay -
I like the way you kept it simple but also gave us what we needed. I have to agree that Mark did emphasizes the important of attraction and being love by the word choice and how he described being loved. For the second question I feel like you describe this one off what you thought which was amazing because when we look at cloud each person may see something different, characteristics of the clouds may change and vary.
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by Shaqoria Hay -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible(impossible to refuse)desire to be irresistibly(too attractive) desired."
Inadequate
I say this because we all desire someone to love us. We also want. Our partners never refuse to love us the way that we want to be loved. We want our lover to see no one better than us in their eyes. I do feel like this is how Mark seen love in his eyes and how he wants to be loved. Also love can be viewed different by cultural and by person so we have to see it that way.
2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
Flawed

Clouds can be seen differently in each individuals eye, the shape of clouds can change. Not one person may see the cloud the same. But it doesn’t let us know enough information on how clouds a formed so it is missing important information.
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by liel Mashiach -
Mark Twain's definition of love, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," captures an aspect of love focused on reciprocity and validation. However, it might be seen as overly romanticized or limited, as love encompasses a broad range of emotions, actions, and motivations beyond the desire for validation. A more comprehensive definition could include elements like empathy, compassion, commitment, and selflessness.

The definition of a cloud as "a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change" is generally accurate in describing the physical characteristics of clouds. However, it lacks specificity regarding the different types of clouds and their formation processes, which can vary significantly. A more detailed definition could incorporate distinctions between cloud types (e.g., cumulus, stratus, cirrus) and factors influencing cloud formation (e.g., temperature, humidity, air currents).
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by Zion Kelly -
I completely agree with your outlook on the first question. Very well-written.
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by Bridgett Pittman -
1. In my opinion this definition of love is not entirely mistaken. It is human nature to want to be loved and give love. Most humans look for one person to show them an irresistible desire.
2. The definition provided for a cloud is overall correct, however they seem to gloss over the true purpose and creation of the cloud. Yes they change in shape and suspend above our heads, but they also are made up from water droplets and helps replenish the Earth with water by carrying rain across long distance. I feel like that is a very valuable piece of missing information.
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by Tiffany Jones -
Mark Twain's definition of love, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," captures a romantic notion of love focused on the reciprocal nature of desire. However, it may be overly simplistic and limited in scope. Love is a complex and multifaceted emotion that encompasses a broad range of experiences and expressions beyond mere desire.
A more comprehensive definition might acknowledge that love involves not only desire but also empathy, compassion, trust, and commitment. It extends beyond romantic attraction to encompass various forms of love, including familial love, platonic love, and altruistic love. Love often involves selflessness, sacrifice, and the willingness to prioritize the well-being of others. Furthermore, love can be both a feeling and an action, involving both emotional attachment and intentional behaviors that demonstrate care and affection. It evolves over time and can withstand challenges and obstacles, growing deeper and more resilient through shared experiences and mutual understanding. In summary, while Twain's definition highlights an aspect of love, it falls short of capturing its full complexity and richness. A more nuanced definition would recognize the diverse dimensions of love and its significance in human relationships and society. Regarding the definition of a cloud as "a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change," it provides a basic understanding of what a cloud is but lacks specificity and depth. A more precise definition might incorporate additional characteristics of clouds, such as their composition (made of water droplets or ice crystals), formation processes (e.g., through condensation or sublimation), and classification based on altitude and appearance (e.g., cirrus, cumulus, stratus). Furthermore, it could acknowledge the role of clouds in the Earth's climate system, including their impact on weather patterns, precipitation, and the Earth's energy balance. Understanding clouds is essential for meteorology, climate science, and environmental studies, as they play a crucial role in shaping Earth's climate and ecosystems. Overall, while the provided definition offers a basic description of clouds, a more comprehensive definition would encompass a broader range of characteristics and emphasize their significance in atmospheric science and beyond.
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by Zion Kelly -
1. Love is not only to be desired. That would mean love is a one-way feeling that is only received. Love can be something given even without accepting it.
2. I agree with the definition provided.
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by Danny Medoff -
Thank you for being you and thank you for the opportunity to share here. Thank you to everyone who has shared.

1. Who hasn't tried to define Love? I believe like there's arguments that Twain's definition is both inadequate and acceptable. Inadequate because I would want more evidence that there is a thing we call "Love" that exists, and one way to do that could be to show the physiological processes that occur when someone believes they have and or are in Love. I believe Twain's quote is also acceptable because I'd be willing to accept whatever evidence one could bring forth to prove the existence of Love, as it seems a more subjective than objective experience.

2. This is flawed and inadequate. As other's have stated, it's flawed because including a statement about water seems important in the definition of this type of cloud. And that leads to the inadequacy of the definition in that I've experienced the term cloud used in relation to computer stuff, as well as people using the word to help explain how they feel; i.e - My judgement was clouded, or I'm feeling cloudy with a chance of sunshine.
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by Crystal Soria -
Mark Twain's "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." gives the impression of wanting to be loved just to know that you can be loved. While I can understand why that's stated, I believe love is the opposite, love is how much you can love someone else with your own heart and intentions.
"A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." This definition of a cloud is very topical, it doesn't go into detail of what a cloud really is, and we could say the same about another object.
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by Kevin Hoyos -
1. I think Mark Twain's definition of love is quite witty. It implies a redundancy that is telling on what we mean by love. Since it is a term charged with so much meaning, a poetic definition is well-suited as a response to all the intellectuals who have tried to define it in more logical terms.

2. Here, there is more of a dictionary definition. Very textual, nothing poetic, straight to the point.
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by Marylin Abreu -
1. Mark Twain's definition of love is inadequate because it is only persuasive - it is attaching emotive. It is a limiting definition because it is also implying that love only occurs when it is requited.
2. The definition provided of cloud is one of many and can change depending on on the purpose/context of the word.
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by Saanvi Kundu -
1) Twain's definition is poetic and captures the idea of mutual desire, but it seems incomplete. Love encompasses more than just desire; it includes care, commitment, and connection. A more comprehensive definition might be: "Love is a profound and enduring emotional connection with someone, characterized by mutual care, respect, and desire."

2) To me, it doesn't quite capture the essence of a cloud. It's too focused on the physical properties and doesn't convey the beauty and wonder of clouds. A simpler and more relatable definition might be: "A cloud is a beautiful, shape shifting formation in the sky that can evoke emotions and inspire imagination."
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by ayesha saeed -
Love is irresistible desire but it is not only the one irresistible desire, it is one of the others desire which we desire

if cloud is changing shape so it could be more transparent or opaque, can change texture after merging.
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by Hudson Harper -
1. This definition of love provides a unique perception. A irresistible desire to be irresistibly desire is a craving to be sought after in my opinion. It could be something that goes into love (in his opinion) although i find it hard to classify this as a definition of love.
2. I would argue when he says "fleecy texture." Texture is something you can physical touch and feel. It also fails to describe how and when a cloud forms.
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by Shanetta Davis -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
I think that love is no desired. I think you are desired by someone once you have their interested and that is how love is formed.
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
I think that the definition is self-explanatory. I think that it could be followed with how they are form if additional information is needed.
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by rylie smith -
1.) I find this definition of love to be flawed as I do not believe love is the desire to be irresistibly desired. Love can be towards many things, but not all things can desire someone. I can love a book, but the book cannot desire me. I can love a song, but this also cannot desire me.
2.) I think the definition of cloud is a bit inadequate because is not always large. Clouds can be many different sizes. Other than that though, I donʻt think the definition is wrong!
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by Odile Segall -
Yes, I agree with your assessment of how love is defined by Mark Twain. I can love a rock and that rock will not or cannot love since it is an inanimate object. Another example is a musical band, I can love them and even though they are human, they won't or don't love me back.
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by Odile Segall -
"Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." To me, this definition of love implies that to love is alluring want or wish to be powerfully wanted. Intensity is the essence of this definition which is conveyed by Mark Twain effectively clever. However, when we think of love it can mean more than this and we don't necessarily need to be irresistibly desired to love. I think a better definition of love is: "Love is an intense affection towards anything."
"A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." This definition is missing the actual make up of the cloud which is condensed water vapor. I would revise it to: "A cloud is condensed water vapor that can shape shift in the atmosphere."
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by Shantel bullock -
Mark Twain's definition of love, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," captures the intense emotional longing for reciprocated affection and admiration. It delves into the unrelenting need to be cherished and sought after by another person, emphasizing the mutual, powerful nature of love.

As for the definition of a cloud, it is described as a large, semi-transparent mass with a fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere. The statement also emphasizes the dynamic and ever-changing nature of clouds, highlighting their continuous shift in shape and form as they drift through the sky.
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by Christopher Harris -
1. Discuss Mark Twain’s definition of love: “Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.” Twain’s definition of love is inadequate only because it is subjective. Being irresistibly desired clearly has meaning to him. Still, to others, it may be the feeling of support received during a difficult time in one’s life or any number of other intentional acts that a person feels are meaningful.

2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: “A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change.” This definition describes a perspective that is obviously subjective. While I agree with aspects of the author’s description, such as its shape being subject to continual change, I would also add that its fleecy texture can appear tenuous, wispy as well as dark, and opaque.
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by Imy Thwesakpakde -
  1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
  2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."

       1. Mark Twain's​ definition​ of love is the basis of  love,  i would describe love as the intimacy, passion, and strong feelings that you have for another individual. It does not have to be just the individuals, but it can come in many forms.The definition of love vary from person​ to person. There is more to love than just the irresistible​ desire.

    2. A cloud is a white mass that cover the atmosphere. Scientifically it is formed from the water cycle. But it literally can be described as a fluffy white mass floating up in sky and gives rain.

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by Fantasia Wiggins -
1. Love comes and is performed in many ways. Love doesn't always mean a person wants to be irresistibly desired. It could mean a person wants to be noticed or someone showing that they care.
2. All clouds aren't large, some are small. Some clouds are gray and are not semi-transparent.
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by Cecily Acevedo -

Let’s evaluate both definitions. 

Mark Twain's Definition of Love "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." This definition captures a dimension of love that emphasizes desire and mutual attraction. However, it may be seen as somewhat superficial or narrow, as it focuses mainly on the aspect of longing without addressing deeper elements of love, such as emotional connection, commitment, and care for another person’s well-being.

Improved Definition: "Love is a profound, multifaceted emotional bond characterized by affection, attachment, and a deep desire for the happiness and fulfillment of another person."

Definition of a Cloud "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." 

Evaluation: This definition offers a good starting point by describing a cloud’s physical characteristics and its dynamic nature. However, it doesn't capture the scientific aspects of clouds, like their formation, composition, or the role they play in the climate system. 

Improved Definition: “A cloud is a visible mass of condensed water vapor suspended in the atmosphere, which forms when moist air rises and cools, resulting in various shapes and types, including cumulus, stratus, and cirrus, which are influenced by atmospheric conditions."

I find Mark Twain’s definition of love intriguing because it succinctly captures the essence of desire. However, love is far broader and encompasses emotional support, trust, and connection, which are crucial in healthy relationships. For the definition of a cloud, while it describes what clouds look like, I believe it's essential to incorporate more scientific context to understand how they function and impact weather patterns. 

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by brionna kemp -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

This definition of love is too narrow. Love is not a feeling able to be put into a controlled singular definition.


The definition of a cloud is understandable, not too much use or narrow and it is a fact 

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by James Locker -
1. love is super complex and the context needs to be given. this seems to be eros love.
2. this definition is good but is not complete.
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by vanessa Ur -
### Mark Twain's Definition of Love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
This captures the longing aspect of love but is too narrow. Love also includes care, commitment, and deep connection. A broader definition might be: "Love is a deep bond marked by affection, commitment, and mutual care."

### Definition of a Cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
This description is visually accurate but lacks scientific detail. A better definition could be: "A cloud is a mass of condensed water vapor or ice crystals in the atmosphere, varying in shape and density due to weather conditions."

These revised definitions aim to provide a clearer understanding of both concepts.
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by Atul Vishwakarma -
1. My assumption of given statement is that it assumes that we're talking about the love between opposite genders and separate from family. Even if that's the case it doesn't qualify for the definition of love because the other person may love you but it's also possible they may not desire you (Like friends). Second point is, even if they does desire to spend time with you or crave for your attention, it's most probable that it isn't irresistible.

2. The given definition doesn't qualify to define clouds and my basis for that is my thinking where it holds and fails. Like if you know the definition of clouds beforehand you might look at the sky and say hmm, the definition does match but wait a minute! What about the harmful gases released from the factory or pollutants in the atmosphere.
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by Dominique Vittorio -
I agree with your standpoint on mark Twain’s definition of love. Twain’s definition was very specific and does not define love over a broader horizon of relationships.
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by PATRICE WHITE -

This quote about love shouldn’t be taken as a formal definition but rather it is an expression of how Twain felt at the time. The definition of love is far too broad to fully explain in this limited capacity. 

The cloud definition is also flawed in that it leads one to believe that a cloud must fit this criteria, which is far from accurate or complete. 

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by Dominique Vittorio -
Love is more than just the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired. Twain’s definition focuses primarily on the desire to be desired, rather than encompassing the broader aspects of love, such as care, respect, and deep emotional connection. A more encompassing definition of love might be: “Love is a profound emotional bond characterized by deep affection, care, and a desire for the well-being of another, often accompanied by a reciprocal yearning for connection and mutual understanding.”


This definition of a cloud is descriptive and visually evocative, capturing the physical appearance and dynamic nature of clouds. It emphasizes the cloud’s changing shape and fleecy texture, which are indeed common characteristics. However, the definition could be improved by including the scientific aspect of clouds, such as their composition and formation process. A more comprehensive definition might be: “A cloud is a visible mass of condensed water vapor or ice crystals suspended in the Earth’s atmosphere, typically appearing as a semi-transparent, fleecy formation whose shape continually changes due to wind and atmospheric conditions.” This revised definition includes both the physical appearance and the underlying science behind cloud formation.
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by Jamie Stewart -
The irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired is just that. Love is more complex and can consist of many feelings subjective to the person or people who are in love. Love often requires feelings of admiration, longing to be with someone, and a deep connection with another person on a level not accessible to others you do not love. The terms "irresistible" and "desire" have their own definitions that set them apart from the definition of Love. According to Oxford Languages, Irresistible means: (adj.) "too attractive and tempting to be resisted: or "too powerful or convincing to be resisted:" and Desire means: (n) "a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen" or (v) "strongly wish for or want (something):" To me, Twain's definition implies these forces cause or bring about Love, but it doesn't define Love.

In today's technological advancements, Cloud can also be a term used for describing data storage or transmission through an internet medium. The above is a description of what a cloud in the sky may look like. From a descriptive stance I think this is a decent definition.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Claire Bradley -
The drawback with Mark Twains definition of love is that it doesn't specify that he is talking purely about romantic love. Love also refers to the love that you have for a friend, or the love parents have for their family and their children. Which doesn't involve desire as part of that.

I think your point about cloud also referring to data storage a good one. That would appear to be a stipulative definition, and highlights that the term "cloud" needs to be made more precise.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Bernales Jai -
1. I strongly agree that love has so many definitions. But, for me, love is about considering their emotions, whenever you try to do things, you think them first if it'd be okay with them.
2. A cloud is a formation of waters from oceans that turns into gas.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Claire Bradley -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." This is primarily a definition of romantic love. It is too narrow as it doesn't reflect the love someone has for a friend, or for their children.
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change." This definition is also too narrow as it doesn't reflect the manner in which clouds are formed.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Victoria Smith -
The problem with the cloud definition "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change" is that no one can be certain what the actual texture of a cloud is, or that the texture actually is "fleecy" since a cloud is made up of water vapor, in addition to the fact that a cloud is suspended thousands of miles in the air. The only provable statements in this definition are that clouds are large, semi-transparent masses and that they are subject to continual change.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Marc Martins -

Mark Twain's definition is a selfish one where the person wants to be loved. A more appropriate one is "Treating others the way you want to be treated and vice versa".

A cloud is a mass of water droplets or ice crystals suspended in the atmospherewhose shape is subject to continual change.

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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Michaela Davis -

According to Mark Twain, the definition of love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired. While Mark Twain has a Pointe, it all depends on what you were trying to love. Are you trying to love yourself or another? Are you trying to love a living being or an inanimate object? Next, the definition of a cloud is a large, semi transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere, whose shape is subject to continual change. What if you had never seen a cloud before? Or you didn’t know that those fluffy things in the sky were called clouds

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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Maxine Herrera -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
- This definition implies that love comes from a person to be likeable to another person. This could mean that love is when someone wants to do something to themselves. I think that this definition of love can be improved if it also was defined in a way that included maybe loving other people as something one does to someone else.
Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
- I think that this definition makes sense when describing what a cloud looks like to a person. To be more specific, it would help if the definition included what the mass was made out of (since this definition could also possibly include hot air balloons).
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by JECEL MONTI-EL -
Mark Twain’s definition of love, “Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired,” is both intriguing and thought-provoking. This definition encapsulates a nuanced perspective on love, emphasizing the role of desire and validation in romantic relationships. Let’s unpack it further.

**1. The Nature of Desire

Twain’s definition highlights desire as a central component of love. According to Twain, love is not just about the affection or care one feels for another, but rather a profound yearning to be wanted in an equally intense way. This focus on the “irresistible desire” suggests that at the heart of love is a powerful, almost compulsive need for mutual attraction and admiration.

**2. The Dual Role of Desire

In Twain’s view, love is a reciprocal process. To be “irresistibly desired” implies that one’s own desire and affection are matched and mirrored by the other person. This reciprocity is crucial because it underscores the mutual validation that characterizes deep romantic connections. If one person desires another without the same level of desire being returned, the relationship may lack the essential balance that Twain seems to suggest is necessary for true love.

**3. Validation and Self-Esteem

Twain’s definition touches on the theme of validation. The need to be desired reflects a deep-seated human desire for recognition and validation from others. In romantic relationships, this often translates into a need for affirmation that one is cherished and valued. This aspect of Twain’s definition points to how love is intertwined with self-esteem and personal validation. It suggests that being desired can affirm one’s worth and significance in the eyes of another.

**4. The “Irresistible” Aspect

The word “irresistible” in Twain’s definition adds a layer of intensity and urgency. It implies that the desire to be desired is not merely a passing wish but a compelling force that drives our actions and feelings. This intensity can enhance the experience of love, making it feel more profound and consuming. However, it also hints at the potential for this desire to lead to frustration or disappointment if not reciprocated.

**5. Implications for Relationship Dynamics

Twain’s definition can have implications for how we understand relationship dynamics. It suggests that love is not just about giving affection but also about seeking and receiving it in a way that feels equally compelling. This mutual exchange can be seen as a driving force behind many romantic pursuits and relationships. However, it also raises questions about how relationships might be influenced by the need for validation and whether this need could overshadow other important aspects of love, such as empathy and support.

**6. Critiques and Considerations

While Twain’s definition offers a valuable perspective, it’s worth noting that love can be multi-faceted and cannot be entirely captured by a single definition. Critics might argue that this view of love focuses heavily on desire and validation, potentially overlooking other important dimensions such as commitment, sacrifice, and unconditional support. Love can also be about companionship, shared values, and mutual growth, aspects that might not be fully addressed by the concept of desire alone.

Conclusion

Mark Twain’s definition of love as “the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired” provides a compelling lens through which to view romantic relationships. It emphasizes the central role of mutual desire and validation, capturing an essential aspect of the human experience of love. While it offers valuable insights, it is also a reminder that love is a complex and multifaceted emotion that cannot be fully encapsulated by any single definition. Understanding love involves exploring its many dimensions, including desire, validation, commitment, and shared experience.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by JECEL MONTI-EL -
The definition of a cloud as “a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change” captures the essence of what clouds are and highlights some of their most distinctive characteristics. Let’s break down and discuss each component of this definition:

1. Large, Semi-Transparent Mass
Large: Clouds can span vast distances across the sky, ranging from small, isolated puffs to extensive formations covering significant portions of the atmosphere. Their size can vary greatly depending on their type and atmospheric conditions.

Semi-Transparent: Clouds are not completely opaque; light can pass through them to some extent. This semi-transparency is why clouds can sometimes appear to have a soft, diffused glow, allowing sunlight to filter through in various intensities.

2. Fleecy Texture
Fleecy Texture: The term “fleecy” evokes the image of clouds resembling soft, fluffy wool. This description highlights the appearance of many clouds, especially cumulus clouds, which often have a cotton-like, puffy texture. This texture is due to the way water droplets or ice crystals cluster together in the atmosphere, creating a visual effect that resembles the softness of fleece.
3. Suspended in the Atmosphere
Suspended in the Atmosphere: Clouds form and exist in the Earth's atmosphere, specifically in the troposphere, where most of our weather occurs. They are composed of tiny water droplets or ice crystals that have condensed or frozen from the moisture in the air. The concept of being “suspended” emphasizes that clouds are not solid objects but are maintained aloft by atmospheric conditions such as updrafts and temperature gradients.
4. Shape is Subject to Continual Change
Continual Change: One of the most fascinating aspects of clouds is their ever-changing nature. Clouds constantly evolve due to variations in wind, temperature, and humidity. This dynamic quality means that a single cloud formation can transform dramatically over minutes or hours, from a fluffy cumulus to a wispy cirrus, or even dissipate entirely. This aspect of clouds underscores their impermanent and fluid nature, contrasting with the more static forms of matter we are used to seeing on the ground.
Additional Considerations
Formation and Types: Clouds form through the condensation of water vapor as it rises and cools in the atmosphere. There are various types of clouds (e.g., cumulus, stratus, cirrus) each with distinct characteristics and behaviors. Understanding these types can add depth to our appreciation of how clouds fit into the definition.

Scientific and Aesthetic Value: The definition touches on both the scientific and aesthetic aspects of clouds. Scientifically, the definition helps in understanding the physical properties of clouds. Aesthetically, the description captures the beauty and ever-changing nature of clouds, which have long fascinated artists and poets.

Practical Implications: Clouds play a significant role in weather patterns and climate. Their formation, type, and movement can influence weather forecasts and help us understand meteorological phenomena.

Conclusion

The definition of a cloud as “a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change” effectively encapsulates the fundamental qualities of clouds. It describes their size, appearance, and behavior in a way that highlights both their physical properties and their dynamic nature. This definition serves as a comprehensive introduction to the complex and fascinating world of clouds, offering insights into both their scientific and aesthetic significance.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by N Lanier -
2. I think that the definition of a cloud is flawed; as all clouds aren't large, and I think the texture being described as 'fleecy' is too subjective; the 'texture' of a cloud is also a visual description that feels too broad. I think if it's supposed to be a factual definition it should have more to do with the scientific description, including how it forms.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by The Legacy Fenolia -
1. Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: Desire is more associated with lust, than it is with love; Love is sacrifice of oneself to which is highest, this sacrifice can take up many form, from; willingness to die, to attempt the impossibles, to attain what is highest in oneself, or simply embracing the abyss so that you can bring out the best in those that you love.
2. Discuss this definition of a cloud: One can argue that; you can never assigned an objective meaning to a cloud expect that is; " fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Gul Ruhama -
1. The definition of love seems to be biased and lacking the fact that love is not only about seeking attention but also caring and loving your beloved.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Eric Raska -
Gul,
I do agree with you that Twain's definition of love seems to be more closely linked with his own perception than that of a definition founded in logic. And limiting the texture of a cloud to only that of "fleecy" seems a bit lazy.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Eric Raska -
Love is an unexplainable attraction to something that cannot clearly be defined. It causes us to risk life and limb for individuals who we feel a deep sense of connection to while hoping they would do the same.

A cloud is a condensed source of water, ever-changing in shape and size that once it merges with enough other clouds, releases its contents until completely expended.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Fetricia Bolden -
1. Love is wanting to be wanted. Love is wanting to hear "I love you back" Love is sometimes selfish. Love is us wanting someone to be so obsessed with us that we are the only thing they see. Is love for the other person or for own self belief.
2. This definition is not a good definition. Love is a direct object where science is proven to how it is made. There should be something in there about out the clouds are formed and the perception and evaporation process works.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Jonathan Cuntapay -
Twain's definition, "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired," is poetic but narrow. It focuses too much on the idea of wanting to be desired, missing other parts of love like care, trust, and companionship. A better way to define love might be: "Love is a deep feeling of affection and care between people."
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by TIARA CHARITY -
Mark Twains definition of love is relative to how he seems the emotion that is love but that is only his view but not the general definition of love.My definition of love would be experiencing emotions with a person of your choice.
       Definition of clouds it paints a picture of the definition in its simplicity so that its easier to derive meaning even from the smallest of minds
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Rachel Validum -

1. Love is also putting another before yourself. Love is unconditional caring and support. Love is a feeling and an energy.


2.  Clouds can be small and opaque, they also form from condensation in the sky.

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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Mohammad Ibnu Abdillah -
### Evaluation of the Definitions

1. **Mark Twain’s definition of love**:
- **Strengths**: It captures the emotional intensity of love and the reciprocal nature of desire.
- **Flaw**: It's **too poetic and subjective**, focusing only on desire. Love also involves trust, care, and commitment.
- **Improved definition**: Love is a deep emotional connection characterized by affection, care, and a desire for mutual well-being.

2. **Definition of a cloud**:
- **Strengths**: Describes a cloud's appearance and dynamic nature.
- **Flaw**: It’s **too narrow and technical**, omitting essential details like its role in weather and water cycles.
- **Improved definition**: A cloud is a mass of condensed water vapor or ice particles suspended in the atmosphere, influencing weather patterns.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Hitasha k -
2. Though the definition describes the appearance of a cloud, it doesn't mention its characteristic features such as change in colour, comes down as fog, etc. Its origin and function as an integral part of the water cycle is also not touched upon -it brings rain, sometimes snow, hail too. Or its composition of dust particles and water. To describe it as 'semi transparent' leaves out dense cloud formation during thunder or rain storms and 'fleecy texture' may not be the case; it could be wispy, threadbare, stuffed, clotted, heavy, etc. To define its size, as a natural phenomena which 'is subject to continual change' as large when it comes in all sizes also leaves a lot of scope.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Hitasha k -
1. Being the father of American literature, Mark Twain's words delve in depth; drawing perhaps on a romantic context, to provide a vivid image or connect with human attachment and feelings towards one and other in a relationship. Though it can be accepted as a quote in literary context, as a conversational implicature; its scope is too shallow to fill the shoe of an abstract term such as 'love'. It draws on ceratin aspects or variations of the emotion i.e ' to be madly in love,' 'to be obsessed or longing for affection of another', 'to be blinded by temptation', etc. It seems out of the picture when we express the emotion for inanimate objects such as 'i love your dress' or 'i would love to have ice cream', etc. It seems totally contrasting to terms such as 'motherly love' or 'love for one's community or homeland' which draw more on respect, self- standing strong bonds built on obligatory duties, pride and sense of belonging by sacrificing one's own wishes and needs for the whole. It sharps differs from Mark's definition that stresses more on own desires, wishes, obsession, affection, longing as an individual rather than a group.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Increase Akinboboye -
1. Mark Twain's definition of love is very one-sided, as it only describes the desire for affection rather than the affection a person has for another. It also only quantifies romantic love when it has far more meanings, like familial and platonic. A better definition would be "Love is irresistible; an unyielding care and a desire to be cared for."
2. This definition of a cloud is too broad, as it could describe a ball of spinning yarn held up in the air. It also does not represent what a cloud as, like its other specific properties regarding condensation, water, and temperature. A better definition would be "Clouds are condensed masses of water vapor with constant, gradually changing shapes."
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Reagan Shannon -
1. This definition of love, although a poetic one, is flawed. Without bringing context to 'irresistible' and 'desire' we are left to wonder what scale or level of emotion love is. I could say I have an irresistible desire to eat chocolate, but the desire is not as strong as loving my husband. Love is also experienced differently for everyone, and we can never truly understand another's conception of it. Love really can not be defined adequately, as I don't believe there is a single, unanimous experience with love.

2. This definition is flawed as it is more subjective in terms of "fleecy texture" and "semi-transparent" and should include more scientific terms. A more appropriate definition would include "condensed water vapor."
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Ava Maes -
Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

He's trying to say that love is selfish. It's supposed to be sarcastic.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Denis Muhamba -
Mark Twain’s definition captures an aspect of love centered on mutual attraction and the intense longing for reciprocated affection. However, this definition may be overly narrow, as it frames love solely as a desire for being desired. Love, especially in contexts like familial, platonic, or altruistic relationships, often includes elements of care, compassion, and selflessness that extend beyond mutual desire.

My definition: Love is a profound and encompassing feeling of affection, care, and connection toward someone, often accompanied by a desire for closeness, mutual understanding, and well-being.

The definition of a cloud includes some accurate descriptors, like "suspended in the atmosphere" and "subject to continual change." However, "semi-transparent" is somewhat misleading since some clouds are dense and opaque, and "fleecy texture" doesn’t apply to all cloud types (e.g., cirrus clouds can be wispy rather than fleecy). Additionally, the definition could mention that clouds are composed of water droplets or ice crystals.

my defintion: "A cloud is a visible mass of condensed water droplets or ice crystals suspended in the Earth’s atmosphere, varying in density, texture, and shape, which changes continually due to atmospheric conditions."
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Rae Ramsey -
1) Mark Twain's definition is more of a poetic feeling of one person's perception of what "love" is. I'm unsure if love has a definitive definition. It could be considered an extreme adoration for another person resulting in selfless actions for that person.

2) This definition is flawed as it is missing the how and why a cloud is.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Katerina Lewis-Archer -
I agree with Mark Twain’s take on love, describing it as “the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired.” This definition captures that deep longing we often feel to be seen and cherished by someone in a way that goes beyond simple affection. In my own life, I’ve found that love is rooted in mutual admiration and a powerful, almost magnetic connection where both people feel deeply valued. However, I think Twain’s definition could be expanded slightly to include the elements of acceptance and growth, which are crucial in lasting relationships. Love, to me, is also about a willingness to support each other’s journeys and embrace each other's imperfections. So, a refined definition could be: “Love is an irresistible desire to be mutually cherished and understood, growing together while accepting each other completely.”

As for the definition of a cloud—“a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change”—this is a detailed, fairly accurate description, but it doesn’t quite capture the magic or variety of clouds. From feathery cirrus clouds to the towering cumulus, each cloud type seems to have a personality of its own. So, perhaps a better definition would be: “A cloud is a collection of tiny water droplets or ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere, forming ever-changing shapes and textures that shift with the wind.” This adds a bit of scientific accuracy and captures the visual beauty that makes clouds so fascinating.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Ibtihaj Khan -
Discuss Mark Twain's definition of love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."
Mark Twains definition of love is really basic and leaves no room for the different types of love. I think it would be best to define love as " a strong and addictive emotion that can look and feel different from individual to individual. "

Discuss this definition of a cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."
I think this definition is pretty solid, its described in a way that its able to be imagined, and seen even to someone who may have poor vision/blind. its short but creates a nice word picture.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Waqas Ali -
1. Love is a force that drives you to put others before yourself. E.g taking a bullet for someone
2. Irregular shapes of different colour that collect, contain and disperse water
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by hannah galgo -
1.Mark Twain's definition of love highlights the reciprocal nature of attraction and desire. It suggests that love is not merely a one-sided emotion but a mutual exchange of admiration and longing. This definition captures the essence of romantic love, emphasizing the interplay of ego and desire.

2.The definition of a cloud offers a detailed and poetic description of its physical attributes. It emphasizes the cloud's ethereal nature, its ever-changing form, and its suspension in the sky. This definition invites contemplation of the beauty and transience of clouds, as well as their role in the natural world.
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Re: Discussion: Definitions

by Celina Asha Kerketta -
### Mark Twain's Definition of Love: "Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired."

Mark Twain’s definition of love is witty and playful, but it doesn't quite capture the full depth of what love is. He focuses on **desire**, particularly the **wish to be desired**, which is definitely one aspect of love, especially in the early stages of a relationship. This definition is more about **attraction** and **ego**, highlighting the feeling of wanting to be wanted. It’s clever, but love is so much more than just this.

In reality, love also involves things like **care**, **commitment**, **understanding**, and **empathy**. It’s about sharing life’s joys and struggles with someone else, being there for them through thick and thin, and wanting their happiness, even if it means making sacrifices. While desire can be part of the equation, love also requires **mutual respect** and **emotional connection**—things Twain’s definition doesn't touch on.

So, while Twain’s quote is fun and captures the **flirtatious** side of love, it doesn’t fully encompass the more profound, **selfless** aspects of loving someone.

### Definition of a Cloud: "A cloud is a large, semi-transparent mass with fleecy texture suspended in the atmosphere whose shape is subject to continual change."

This definition of a cloud is a decent attempt but has a few issues. First, **clouds are not always semi-transparent**; some clouds, like **nimbostratus** or **cumulonimbus**, are thick and **opaque**, blocking the sun entirely. The term "large" is also a bit vague—clouds can vary greatly in size, from tiny wisps to towering giants that stretch for miles. So, the use of "large" doesn’t fully explain the diversity of cloud sizes.

The idea that the shape of a cloud is subject to continual change is accurate, but the definition could be more specific about **why** this happens. Clouds change shape because of **atmospheric conditions** like **wind**, **temperature**, and **humidity**. It would be helpful to mention that clouds are made of **water vapor** or **ice particles**, and they change due to the ever-changing conditions of the atmosphere.

A more precise and complete definition might be: "A cloud is a visible mass of water vapor or ice particles suspended in the atmosphere, varying in size and shape, and constantly changing due to atmospheric conditions." This definition captures the scientific nature of clouds more clearly and adds some detail about what clouds are made of and why they change.

### Conclusion

Both definitions—of love and clouds—are interesting, but they only cover certain aspects of the full picture. Twain’s definition of love emphasizes the **desire to be desired**, but it leaves out the deeper emotional layers that make love truly meaningful. The cloud definition is close, but it’s a bit too vague, especially when it comes to the transparency and changing nature of clouds. It could benefit from a bit more detail and clarity about what clouds are made of and why they behave the way they do.
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